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welcome back guys been a while yeah

we know i hope you've been enjoying the

family that dared

episodes that we've been putting out

since we have not been having our own

footage

as you can see there behind me shahelion

floating again

we've been working hard getting her

ready for new adventures and

the videos will be coming to you

starting next week

a new season of uh

learning by doing coming up but first in

this episode

we have an interview with joachim kampe

hopefully a lot of you have seen the

episodes

uh the last 12 episodes the family that

dad

sailed around the world in the late 70s

incredible stuff

and a lot of you put questions to uh me

joachim about you know what happened

afterwards family all that sort of stuff

so i sat down here with him in lombok

and uh asked him those

questions and yeah

pretty interesting stuff from an

incredibly interesting man who has had a

you know amazing life and obviously

still adventuring he's

about to finish another circumnavigation

at 84 years old

so anyway enjoy this video and i'll uh

chat a bit more at the end of the video

okay jogging we're back here in lombok

well you've been here the whole time

but me and maria back very happy to be

here again um

after a long cold winter in europe and

yeah we're back in the warmth and the

sunshine and uh

have you missed us yeah sure because

you're very active and

well for me you're beautiful people

obviously all you viewers out there

watching this video

i would say probably every single one of

you have been following along

uh this episode of

documentaries that joachim and his

family did

well closer to a half century ago than

not

and according to your comments and likes

and everything you've really been

enjoying it as as have i so yeah thank

you very much joakim for

for that it's a great look back into

the past and something that we'll

probably never

see with our own eyes because the world

has

has changed and moved how do you feel

about that

well vernon i am

thankful that you brought the films back

to life and i'm thankful for

the viewers who took the time to to

discover a bit the world we we were

trying to explore

and it

it gave me back a positive energy

but

i'm obliged kind of to explain some

things please they uh

first thing naturally ronan

you were very nice saying

help this man get him back

on his feet uh

here and at the end kind of at the end

of my life i'm now

83

i was attacked i was attacked by a

severe

accident in my stomach i had to be

operated

three times and my

daughter came here in a rush

to sign a document that they could bury

me here

uh it it looked very bad very grim

and with my exuberance

in in my life and my decisions and often

very

foolish kind of as many people tell me

i had no insurance

for my operations so

i couldn't pay so my children

the four children which were on this

boat with me

they all four jumped in they all four

had to take loans at the bank and

finally they paid everything

all the costs of the operation

but additionally and kind of

independent of the medical accident

i had more or less when i sailed through

patagonia

a financial accident you can call it

like that

i well like probably elderly people they

do something foolish sometimes because

they

well the one says

elderly people get foolish well i got

foolish i did something very stupid i

lost all my money

so i had additionally to beg

my children your father help him he has

no money

and you joined in with a general

uh a general demand to help me and it's

very very kind and i'm very very

thankful but in the same time naturally

i'm a little bit ashamed or not a little

bit quite ashamed

and but in fact i'm not that ashamed and

it's difficult to

to to make that clear

my wife at that time marie

she wrote me shame on you

you are a man you have to be able to

take care of you

well i couldn't and

with my age i didn't feel ashamed

no and i wrote back

i have the feeling ashamed should be who

is not helping

me and i had her in mind

i'm sure she connected the dots she

connected with us

well so uh thank you

you visitors who helped me and yes i

am ashamed but i

see it really as an accident

and as two accidents

health wise and financial wise and i was

not prepared for it well

i it's sad it's painful yeah

i can imagine and for you with a

a very proud proud and humble man who

has

taken life and done

with it more than many people would on

your own terms

i've i imagine that is a very hard and

and yeah embarrassing thing but

my take on it is the people who have

donated money to you now don't see you

as a charity case that they must help

out

i think the people who are viewing these

videos

and just see what you've done with your

life especially

well they see most of it through these

videos right

but a lot of them are just

thankful to be able to view this and see

these videos

and are willing to basically are paying

you for your work

that you did at the time to give them

this

viewing pleasure now and

that's also how i look at patreon and

things like that for what we do

it helps us out it lets us do this but

you provided them with

something yeah you provided them with 45

minutes every week

to get taken transported to another

world

that they really really love and

i think most of them if not all would

say that was money well spent and the

bonus is

it helps you the main reason to to

do this interview is to ask joachim some

questions that you the viewers have

put in the comments or sent to me by

email or instagram or whatever it may be

the number one question i guess that has

been asked is

what happened to the children and marie

and you after this journey ended

i know that is going to be probably a

long

long and in-depth answer but

yeah maybe an overview well

i can answer it it's not easy for me

to answer because

to catch your

your your understanding to your

attention really

i have to speak the truth i i don't want

to

make up anything like you could see

perhaps in my films

i was strictly documentary filming i had

no

one scene arranged it all

came like it came it came with the wind

i was very concerned about the security

obviously you will laugh perhaps because

you see the children without

swimming wastes or safety harnesses

running on deck

but actually if you really think about

it they only run on deck with the

weather was

more or less okay it's really bad

weather was there was nobody running on

deck anymore

except perhaps me and marie and to have

the teacher

and but not the children i i tried to

equip me against any

accident i tried for example to have on

the boat

everything twice i i had two engines

well two mess they connected they

wouldn't help really but you don't never

know

i had two alternators two battery banks

two two everything everything yeah

security

coped very well we went into

rough seas big crossings uh

long traverses through the ocean

uh without

any major

accident or or negative happening

but there is a very big butt

and this but uh i like

to point out to to to the viewers of

this

film and because it it

it has great importance to all of us who

were on the board

we were about

half around the world and

well i i have to put that in the most

difficult

of the whole trip of the whole seven

years

for me was to get

the family uprooted

to sell property to

separate us from the dog funny but there

was a

important dog to

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get the children out of school to face

all the people who told me i'm crazy i'm

irresponsible i

i shouldn't do that and

i should i'm just wrong

but at that time

in the 1970s

germany was a very happy country

kind of economically well to do

we had we were football stars in the

world

we had television uh

series which were very much loved by the

public

uh well the bars are full the

restaurants are full everything was

happy

so why is there a family who want to

leave

my god i mean it says something wrong

with us who stay here

yes that was one of the reasons why they

aggressed me

because they put it in relation to them

and says well

why is this man we're not good enough

for you yeah but what

what is this and i have this

i had this vision and desire to

explore the world and together

with my family with mainly with the

children

also with my wife okay we went through

the atlantic we went

to north america

as you say labrador new york

newfoundland

mexico belize honduras

panama then we went to ecuador to the

galapagos and then we went up to alaska

we had some adventures there and then we

went

back to seattle to wait for the winter

and there in fact and completely out of

the

of the void

kind of disaster struck

how to say my marriage

got crowded okay

well i discovered that and i was

devastated because

my partner my wife was one of the

backbone of this enterprise

and suddenly i didn't see her as that

anymore

i saw her rather as a

not really an enemy but not any more

the same yet the same not concentrated

on me

and i wanted to go and then i i saw my

children

who really blossomed in this trip yeah

they

developed beautifully and i'm

very thankful that i got children who

are so supportive

who are so adept to to do this thing we

could have other children very lovely

children but then they can't do it

they just don't like it these children

loved it

now i saw stop the trip around the world

send them back to home there will be no

home because i will be not with marie

anymore so

i i i was

deeply upset and i came to the

conclusion

no i have to mend i have to get

things straight and

we talked not with the children they

didn't know anything no they did nothing

nothing they don't like it they didn't

send him

and we said okay we continue we we do as

well as we can

and we did we come to to this

very important question which you

asked what happened after

we we made our trip and some of you

probably saw my last film the apollo

indians in the amazon a very very

intensive experience

and at the end of the film i say

very nonchalant and really not

satisfactory to

to the public in general i said

here we go now and from now on we'll

all go our own ways

and that's what we did because the

children had to find their own ways

marie had to

find their ways we tried to mend but

finally it didn't work

but and i had to make myself too

but this end of the trip

came suddenly

kind of not suddenly because we have to

sail big distances but came

and nobody was really prepared no one's

ready yeah

and especially not the children the

children

felt abundant yeah what did they do

they were accepted three of them were

old enough and they were accepted

at top universities in in the u.s

sylvester went to risd rhode island

school of design

the teacher went to brown university in

rhode island

uh colleagues later went to bennington

an artist university and bartholomew

went to

georgetown university in washington dc

all top universes

i in fact was was astonished because we

came from the boat

without any schooling i mean without any

proper schooling

and applied at both universities and all

of them

immediately said yes come and i went to

only to one university and i asked why

why did you take these children and

the answer was like that because they're

different yeah

we like difference in our uh

campus with our scholars and

uh they speak well all the children

speak five languages which is unusual in

america

and uh they just have a completely

different mindset

and that's why they're very accepted but

from one moment to the other they were

alone lonely and

uh there is

a

lingering uh reproach

against me not to have prepared them

better for what is coming after the trip

yeah

after the trip was for me to work i had

to finish the films i had voila i was

very busy i

i tried to orientate myself newly and so

on

and i thought the children are at

university they do fine

but they didn't do something they were

it was quite difficult from them because

they came out of a very intensive

uh daily structure of

of demand of adventure of

of challenges and had to cope with it

and coped with it yeah and then suddenly

this color was gone yeah

there was nothing well also they were

a team a unit for seven years they have

never ever

had this all exploded

into a void the second thing which

now it's very positive which i loved so

much

all these poor children i could observe

you could not put them down if somebody

came

put up a haughty air try to to to

somehow diminish them in into something

common

no way because if you have a child who

has

seen seen the vast ocean in storms

and has lived through that yeah you know

a man in the suit who wants just

come on you know

don't bother us yeah we know what things

are

and uh so they were very very selfish

in a way but on the other hand they were

very lost

because they they couldn't i was gone

yeah i wasn't there anymore for them

suddenly and i was a leader all the time

yeah yeah i was saying

where we go what we do so they were

really directing

yeah in this direction

and marie well obviously you've told us

sort of

but you obviously went your separate

ways then when you returned way when we

returned we tried to mend

and it didn't work to make it short

very inherited

a big fortune okay and uh

bought herself a castle in france very

nice

and married her cousin her direct cousin

oh wow

so that's it now she's sitting in her

castle

when i i was like dying here in lombok

but that's all right uh no bad feelings

uh

okay about it but that was my that was

or is marie

another question some people had is um

dagmar was the original teacher and

stayed with for the first

two episodes was it yeah no three she

went away in san diego

sailed from galapagos to san diego yeah

and there she left and

well i'm deeply thankful for dartmouth

douglas was a fantastic crew member

and i felt

badly and i still felt badly that she

left us and i at that time had this kind

of

probably stupid idea i thought it's not

good if my children

are always schooled only by one person

the same person the same person year of

the year

yeah it's good to change the teacher

because they

married those children but that was not

such a good idea and i felt very badly

about dogma but dogma

created a sailing school after oh wow

wow very good

and uh it was so important for her

because

to come with us she gave up

her position as a teacher in the german

government so she lost her pension she

lost everything

so she had to find her own way out

and she also got her own sailboat and

she also sailed to england and other

places and

she stayed very active and she's she was

great i'm very careful and we had an

uh one two three three other teachers

which we all got just by a little

announcement in the newspapers and

without payment

oh wow they they were happy to come

experience

take experience and teach and they were

all professional teachers

so i mean in in at one hand it worked

but

other than that i just feel badly about

dogma because she was

so fantastic and uh i i wasn't kind of

nice enough i was just too young so i

want to ask a little bit about

uh you're filming because as you said in

the first interview

you you hadn't done schooling for this

you

you went to film the volcano in italy

as a trial and to get this deal with the

tv company

so yeah obviously a lot more difficult

in in those days

everything analog the sound recorders

were the size of a small

car and you know you had to take

a lot of care otherwise you could film

for a day and it was all just rubbish

but you wouldn't know

until a month later months later so

yeah we'll talk a little bit about that

because it interests me and i think the

viewers

so did you make any huge mistakes that

cost a lot of great footage

no not at all but

as i insisted and really insisted to

make the scenes

all documentary i did not put any words

in anybody's mouth

i did not uh direct anything you do this

now go from here to there or whatever

nothing of this kind so i expected

what's going to happen and try to film

it

and often i film it and nothing happened

so the footage was gone yeah

but for god's sake that was on the cost

of the television station

and the television station provided me

with their technology

that means sound i could do in german

television studio

my my speaking the editing i had a very

good editor

with an editing room and all that so

very professional they helped me along

kind

of they helped me where they could help

me yes and also

from time to time where it was possible

they sent me a cameraman to help

and uh in many places it wasn't possible

because they

never could god get there yeah so i did

the whole film alone

whatever with my butt but sometimes

i had help yeah well we when we

see that because it's more or less the

only time we see

you in the yeah somebody else is filming

well uh semester started early to take

my camera also

it's very happy for him but he he did he

had a very good sense of it

and he became a filmer much much more

intensive than i

ever was yes i mean he's now a

100 professional filmer in in my

very first film i try to

lay the fundament of of the the family

to show

who they are and i have the children

speak about their

dream or their their ideas whatever came

out i recorded

and sylvester was i i filmed a scene

with sylvester we

sitting in the woods with a piece of

uh with the pc carves and he speaks kind

of to himself

yeah one day i want to be in a big river

on a canoe

and see indians or whatever he said and

have adventures and all that and he he's

dreaming that

and exactly that he does yeah

and uh bhaktholumi he says

kind of obstrues or

strange things you know i like to have a

bicycle with me

but it doesn't go so i take a foldable

bicycle

and there will be a big net which

catches some people and the people won't

like it but the fish are also

beings and they have their own character

and we have to respect them

things kind of they have no real

connection

and they have a connection but in the

subconscious i don't know

he speaks like that and exactly that he

does right now he's

in the desert in argentina

with a little pusada which he built

himself he's with indians there and

he do all kind of activities which are

important to him and it's his world

and he he he did what he kind of

showed as a child in his dreams

and the same with colleagues and the

same as the teacher is unbelievable

they i mean leticia

very special because she studied in

brown made her master degree in in

in symbolic very complicated things and

went to new zealand and be a mountain

guide

and in new zealand that is something

yeah new zealand mountain geiger

it's it doesn't come by itself no no can

imagine that

the trip set her up quite well for being

a mountain goddess and

looking after and knowing how to read

the weather and things like this right

very important things as a god went to

bennington in united states to

study art he studied painting

and the university teachers told him he

has to

develop more he has to go into the

abstract and he has to have his

studio where he contemplate and then

come to his

painting results and collect

went in this general student hall and

painted with all the people around

and disagreed with the university and

left the university

that i i can't stand this university and

he went to florence

and studied the old masters it was

against

any advice my advice mother's advice

friend's advice he did it

he started to make natural portraits

life-size very big two meter big

paintings

of men and beautiful women

in all their glory with jewels and and

uh big dresses and dogs and whatever

big success he traveled around the world

painting famous people okay incredible

and then one day he said no i i don't

want to paint anymore

i'm going to make sculptures

in bronze people said come on brown

former time and kind of go hey i make

skype chat

and he specialized in in bronze heads

children and grown-ups

same thing very well yeah big circle

many people thought wow i should have a

bronze head of myself

on a pedestal and then he said

okay that's it i do something else

what do you do what do you want to do

now

i will make animals i

i sculpture animals what is your first

animal a chicken

a chicken who will buy a sculpture of a

chicken and bronze

he did it he sold 11 of his chickens

the thing is that they and especially

uh calixt in that case did never

ever what he was told to do they just

did their own ways

yeah and i think they learned that

on this trip yeah to to to trust

themselves

when i told them uh well

i made a big mistake i lost my money

their first reaction was

sellable oh yeah sell the boat

sell it as it is just sell it and

marie extreme she wrote me

shame on you again because you don't

have any money anymore

sell your boat on ebay just pass as

quick as you can

and actually the boat as you know it's

it's not something which you just

sell because it's a piece of uh you get

some money and they told me

sell it as it is doesn't matter what

price you get you just

just have some money oh i didn't like

that at all

and i was very touched

by some of your viewers who said well we

want to help him to finish

his circumnavigation and

none of my children had that in mind

yeah they just

get get rid of the boat they cost money

so you have some money

so well but uh they

kind of scaled back a bit with this

demand

and anyhow they helped me so i'm very

thankful to them

now well that was my request or question

to the to the viewers

first you need to get healthy but then

a big part is finishing your

circumnavigation

getting to thailand with the boat that

you see in all these

episodes the same boat it's never been

owned by anybody else

yeah and uh to finish this to close the

circle

is very important very important yeah

and i will

imagine yeah i will do it i'm sure you

will obviously

obviously well as you all are dealing

with as well

covert has thrown a big spanner in this

his health now is

you're looking very good and healthy

better than you were when i interviewed

you last time

he would be ready to go the boat is

floating over there and looking

like brand new again looking very good

and uh

yeah yeah you don't feel

strong and comfortable to sail alone

it's a very big and heavy boat

and uh i could not i should not no you

should not

he needs crew to get back to thailand i

need

but it is very hard because it is hard

to enter thailand you need insurances

you need to pay money it's

it's quarantined when you get there and

first you need to get to

lombok which isn't easy either so

it's very difficult so here we are it

might be several months

or who knows just now thailand

increased the current in time to 14 days

ago yeah

so yeah yeah it's a little a little bit

i think it's a bump in the road i think

uh i know you will definitely make it

you just need a little bit of patience

the boat is ready you're ready and we

just need to wait for the world to

get back to a little bit more normal and

then

i will be gone do you think it will be

emotional for you

when you make it to the to the end of

your circumnavigation

very yeah it was now

just when you came or before you came

i moved the boat from the boiler to the

dock

the first time i held the steering in my

hand since the operation since she

nearly died

wow it was an emotion it was just a

little

yeah 200 meters or something like that

but i steered the boat

how wonderful yeah one of the things

which i would like to tell

my spectators that i

discovered and rediscovered and

rediscovered

that challenges in nature

like a storm like uh like high waves

like icy weather like uh

beating rain or whatever which attack

you

and attack you tough and hard

make you finally strong yeah there is a

feedback a

secret feedback if i stand in the

cockpit

at night the waves are high right and

left and i watch seventh on

i feel power come back and

uh that is marvelous yes

joking thanks very much for giving us

this time and answering the questions

that the

the viewers have sort of put to you and

i'm sure they're going to be very

interested in

in finding out what happened to the

family and obviously it's

it's a jump of 40 years you know the

world changes and everything but it's

very interesting to hear

uh you know what's a bit a tiny bit

what's happened in the

the end of the family the dead

trip and now and uh yeah thanks very

much for that and also i want to thank

you for trusting

us to put this series out there i

personally i feel it it's quite uh has

some

historical value to it and i'm sort of

proud that it's on my channel and i hope

i hope people are going to watch it in

the future and um

it's it's it's a valuable thing and i

yeah thank you for for letting us put

this out there

well you did well thank you no you did

for me the trip naturally had a very big

value because i

wanted to do what you described

and you describe it quite well in your

introduction or at the end of the films

and i'm glad people

are sensitive to my

exploration of this

kind of hidden world when you look back

from

far now i'm 83 and

kind of miss uh

the destiny uh cut me twice

once with my health and secondly

with the money and

i was pretty helpless when i arrived

here in lombok

because i was deadly sick

my lovely wife marie who was so good on

the trip

wrote me shame on you and

i answered no shame i have feel

no shame it is just a misfortune which

happened to me and

my children also all four of the crew

went into the trouble of taking

a bank loan to cover

the medical costs my daughter

leticia such a sweet little girl as you

saw her on the

in the films traveled here

to arrange the necessary

transfer to hospitals and operation and

all that

and she also signed

a paper that it's all right to bury me

here

and then she left back to see new

zealand thank you very much leticia

and thank you very much my children

and uh additionally naturally i'm

very much moved if you

spectators who don't know me who who

don't really know what

what what my intentions are and

if they were really good and i assure

you they're very good

what uh that you take the the

the trouble to help me a foreigner for

you

out of my late arriving

this happens and i i really

really thank you my heart is deeply

uh indebted to you thank you

very much any of your help

helped me a lot and my health is much

better now

i am not in full strength but i will get

there

and i will fight for it and i'll be not

ashamed

and you'll get your boat back to

thailand and finish your trip we'll get

support back to thailand for

sure yes okay well i hope you enjoyed

that and i hope that answers some

questions for you

uh as i said incredible guy uh it's been

a real pleasure

spending all this time with him and uh

learning a lot from him and

and uh listening to his stories as well

you know he's done a lot more than just

these episodes his life has just been an

unending

adventure really and so so is mine to a

certain extent but i've got a

few more places i want to see and uh

that

number of places has just grown because

he keeps telling me about

sailing through the beagle channel and

chile and brazil

and he's been to georgia islands down in

antarctica

and he's i don't know there's probably

not many places he hasn't sailed to

or not just sailing he's been a

photographer and

of uh artifacts in africa

for years and years for big museums you

know it's not just sailing he's done so

yeah incredible life

and amazing stuff hope you enjoyed it

we'll be back to regular learning by

doing videos

next week i want to give a big shout out

obviously joachim thanked you all

all the people who supported uh

him with some cash

for me as well i got to say thanks very

much it's really good to know

that uh we have a community here on this

channel

that is willing to jump in and and

support a good cause

and a lot of you showed that with the

warrimack school that i supported it

last year and now again with joachim

it's just really good to know that if i

come across

people in need or a village that's been

struck down or

a really interesting project that you

guys are willing to support that and

it gives me a good feeling that we have

you know such a

strong and uh you know great group of

people here on this channel so really

stoked about that

um patrons this is one's for you

not a single patron has quit or pulled

their

uh support during this time i haven't

obviously been charging the patrons for

any of these episodes because it's not

my

work obviously all of the donations have

gone straight to joachim

so i will start charging uh patrons

again now

that our films are coming out but i'm

really really happy just

you know that all of you are stuck by

and this sort of three month gap in our

coverage i know that there's a lot of

competition uh believe me i watch a lot

of the other sailing channels

and uh there is i think several several

thousand

and a lot of them making really um good

content so

i fully realized that uh if we're not

providing content for you guys you'll

take your money elsewhere

but uh really cool to see that you stuck

with us through this little gap and

um and uh looking forward to new stuff

from us hopefully that's it for this

video

thanks very much again for the support

and for keeping watching

and uh we'll see you next week with some

boat work

uh from madonna bay in lombok see ya

take care